Fighting the 'Fat Letters'
After public backlash over BMI notifications, two North Andover lawmakers are joining the fight.
One day last year, Selectman Tracy Watson received a school letter about her son Cameron. It wasn't about his grades or his behavior. It was to inform her and her husband that Cameron was classified as "obese."
"Honestly, I laughed," Watson said. The letter -- part of a state initiative to monitor children's Body Mass Index -- explained BMI standards and encouraged her and her husband to contact their pediatrician.
But the letters have many in town crying foul and have ignited a debate over the government's role in children's health.
Screening for Size
Body Mass Index is a number used to indicate body fat, and the number is determined by a child's weight and height.
Watson's laughter was from surprise. Cameron plays sports and participates in martial arts. He's a member of the North Andover Booster Club wrestling team and the Doughboy Wrestling Club, and he's also a football player. How could he be "obese," and why was his school sending a letter home saying he was?
A child's BMI is factored with a BMI-for-age chart established by the Centers for Disease Control, and a percentile (compared with age and gender) is determined for classification: underweight, healthy weight, overweight or obese. Those in the 95th percentile are classified as obese.
In 2009, the Massachusetts Department of Public Health adopted a "BMI initiative" requiring public schools to calculate the BMI of children and teens of certain ages and send the results to the children's parents along with instructions for parents on dealing with the child's weight issues.
Officials from the Massachusetts Department of Public Health have not yet responded to request for comment, but according to the Department of Public Health Web site:
"Overweight and obesity have become a serious health problem in Massachusetts. Almost one-third of school-aged children are either overweight or obese. Overweight and obese children are at risk for diabetes, heart disease, and other chronic conditions. Helping children maintain a healthy weight can prevent potential health problems and serious diseases."
On Beacon Hill
It turns out, many parents receive these letters.
Nicknamed the "fat letters," these notices are part of an effort of the Department of Public Health to battle childhood obesity. But they're not just to warn parents of overweight kids. Underweight kids get the letters as well.
And many parents have complained, saying the letters amount to government interference in parenting and invasion of privacy.
"I have come across many parents whose children are perfectly fit, healthy and active in sports, but muscular in build and are reporting that they've received letters stating their child is obese or at risk for obesity," Bridget Martin said. "Some of these children laughed at these letters stating that they are obese because they know it is ridiculous, while others become upset, depressed and ashamed, even though they are far from obese."
In January, State Rep. Jim Lyons filed legislation -- with a petition from Watson -- to stop the "fat letters." H2024 seeks to amend Section 1, Chapter 71 of the General Laws by inserting the following language:
"(h): No language in this section shall authorize the Department of Public Health to collect data on height, weight, or calculate a student’s Body Mass Index."
This is not the first time Lyons has taken on the state's Department of Public Health. When he addressed the North Andover Board of Selectmen last month, he called for taking money from the DPH to pay for targeted local aid. And last year, Lyons took issue with the controversy over whether or not schools should be allowed to sell cupcakes at events.
"It goes to a larger problem, the Department of Public Health is losing sight of what its focus is and expanding too many areas," Lyons said. "I dont think it [a child's BMI] is something that parents need to be told through a school department."
H2024 is currently referred to the Joint Committee on Public Health, of which Lyons is a member. Lyons said he expects it to be up for debate and a vote some time this spring.
"Just think about it in a broader sense, some of this regulation that the Department of Public Health is getting bogged down in, at the same time they're not inspecting our pharmaceuticals labs, we have a crime lab situation that's going to cost us tens of millions of dollars, and the Department of Public Health is concerning itself with whether or not local schools can sell cupcakes," Lyons said. "The focus ought to be to protect the safety of our citizens."
About the Children
But how might BMI monitoring and parental notifications impact the children themselves?
The Massachusetts Department of Public Health guideline for BMI screening (attached in full to this article) cautions:
"To avoid stigmatization of any student and protect the confidentiality of individual screening results, BMI screening results should be mailed or otherwise directly communicated to the parents and guardians, and not sent home with the student. When possible, for screening results that are significantly out of range or of particular concern, it may be appropriate for the school nurse to personalize the letter or place a phone call to the student’s parents or guardians."
But the notification would tend to be known to the child eventually, especially once there is follow-up discussion with a pediatrician.
"Overweight children know they are overweight," Watson said. "We spend so much time discussing 'bullying' that to a degree our younger children think almost everything is bullying. I have heard one than one child express feeling bullied by these letters."
State Sen. Kathleen O'Connor Ives agrees, which is why she signed on to Lyons' legislation.
"It's an example of an unfunded mandate that results in additional administrative cost, but I think also has the potential to do harm to a child's self-esteem," O'Connor Ives said. "I think that there are tools that schools can use independently to inform parents about that [childhood obesity] being a public health issue for children without targeting individual children and putting them into these categories, whether they are underweight or overweight."
T. Ferrao
7:43 am on Friday, February 22, 2013
I truly don't get how a letter sent to parents in confidentiality, without the student knowing, would do harm to that student's self esteem. I commend the school department for communicating what they see with parents. Sometimes it takes more than one pair of eyes. Sometimes people don't pay much attention to certain trends, like the devastating increase in childhood obesity and obesity in general over the years. This is something parents should take seriously. No ridicule or judgement involved. Many times it is due to lack of understanding and that is okay because there are professionals who can help. We all love our children and want the absolute best for them, including their health. And we, as parents, cannot know everything. Maybe the issue is education? Education for parents, children and doctors.
kyle
1:26 am on Tuesday, February 26, 2013
I completely agree. I think it's great that they are stepping up to open these parents eyes to the harm they are doing by allowing their children to be so unhealthy. Letting your kid become obese Is neglectful, and borderline abuse.
Rich
8:22 am on Wednesday, February 27, 2013
OK - STUPID. FIRST: TEACHING BY EXAMPLE, PLEASE START THIS PROGRAM BY FIRING OR SENDING HOME ALL FAT TEACHERS AND PRINCIPALS (and the proably anorexic chick who designed the letter) who are the most direct educational examples to students. Given the fact that OVERWEIGHT can lead to being stimatized by Hollywood types (and fans) and that excess weight can lead to heart disease, there is merot in supporting the kids, but not stigmatizing them.etc. IS this just a stab at parents, but again noNOT THE TEACHERS? That another beaurecratic government, tax funded agency spends money to tell FAT PARENTS thay HAVE FAT KIDS is kind of like telling smoking parents, beer parents, sugar parents, meat parents, fast food parents, salt parents, non-exercising parents that their kid is really a reflection of slobbish mentallity, stigmatizing lifestyles. Take the money spend used here and show pics of a famous and gifted people like: fat Einstein, Gov. Christie, Jackie Gleason, John Wayne, George Washington, John Adams, Elvis, Marlon Brando, Ruben Studdard, Kathy Bates, Phillip Seymour Hoffman, Oprah (90% of the time)
Can't they better spend time and money on better books that teach about the Constitution and not soocial medias. Stick that in your tweet.
Maria Rigazio-Rea
8:05 am on Friday, February 22, 2013
I probably would be outraged had I received a letter regarding my child, if I still had one in the public school system. That being said. I understand the urgency of the problem. I am not sure they are going about things the right way though. In the years that my children were in school I have watched Phys Ed budgets get cut, recess and break times dwindle to almost nothing. While behavior problems increase along with Sped plans. The only chance for activity is if your child joins a sports team or does dance or gymnastics. My kids were not into any of those things, though we tried them all any way. Kids in my neighborhood were over scheduled and unvailable for just outside play..It was a constant problem. Luckily they went out and played with each other and we got through. We also did not have so many tech games, so we were lucky as I feel that is a huge cause for inactivity. Bring back phys ed in the schools on a daily basis but not team things, just have the kids move, no grades just oxygenate them and along with that do some education, bring back home economics and teach cooking and nutrition. Studies show that if kids get up and move around they concentrate better. Educating the youth and they will educate the parents...It is not rocket science...sometimes the old ways are the best ways.
Tracy Watson
8:36 am on Friday, February 22, 2013
The problem is that the "epidemic of obesity" among our children is based on a false narrative. No good doctor, nurtrionist, trainer, etc would use only BMI. BMI does not take into account body type, muscle mass, etc. This is not to say we are not a foast food nation or that some children are in fact obese but the numbers are skewed and misleading. We are making changes to everything (i.e. no cupcakes, sode, etc. under any circumstances) based on misleading statistics.
Mommy Hyatt
10:22 pm on Monday, February 25, 2013
Exactly!! Going on BMI alone, boys who are very muscular and girls with very large chests are going to be "fatter" according to BMI than they really are. I have a friend who is a fitness expert and he says it is one of the most useless tools to calculate a healthy weight for one's build. I do agree that weigh is out of control and some children ARE obese, but you can't just go off BMI alone and call kids fat. I totally agree with you.
Michael Quinlan
10:59 am on Tuesday, February 26, 2013
Mommy Hyatt, It's not about controlling weight; it's about controlling you.
Tracy Watson
8:39 am on Friday, February 22, 2013
As an additional note....this unfunded mandate put upon us cost approcimately $15K per year for NA alone....imagine the costs statewide. Wouldn't that money be better spent on additional gym teachers or nutritionists or even adding better food to the school lunch program. Our athletes are starving at the high school level as this "obesity epidemic" has changed the lunch protion sizes....this is a far reaching issue that goes on and on and on....
kathy Stevens
4:50 pm on Friday, February 22, 2013
You are totally in the right space. Positive initiatives such as additional periods of gym and education about nutrition.
Mommy Hyatt
10:27 pm on Monday, February 25, 2013
I agree with this, too. My little brother was very active and on the football team and had a VERY lean and fit build, even though he ate twice as much as I did. I was 5'7" and 120 in high school, wore a size 3, and even I could not get full from a school lunch alone. A lot of my guy friends, also with very fit, muscular builds, played football, etc. would eat their lunch and then buy someone else's lunch and eat that as well. In the mean time, the overweight and obese kids are still gaining weight because they are bringing their lunch form home!
Tracy Watson
8:46 am on Friday, February 22, 2013
Also...my son is 4 feet 10 inches tall and weighs 93 pounds.......with all due repsect this is not obese. BTW Tom Brady would be considered obese under BMI standards......I repreat.....false narrative......skewed statistics.
Maria Rigazio-Rea
9:00 am on Friday, February 22, 2013
I agree Tracy, I would have been annoyed and offended had I received one of these letters. It seems that the common sense solutions are always overlooked and the highly paid over educated consultants always win out. This is the state we live in now. Mandate away progressives...You will mandate me right out of the town my husbands ancestors helped to settle...
Bryan McGonigle2
9:01 am on Friday, February 22, 2013
Sigh.
The Governor just proposed some significant tax increases. If you multiply $15k by 351 cities and towns, I just found $5.2 million in savings.
Healthcare is mandatory in MA and you need a yearly health record form from your doctor before they allow you in school. This doctor should have a chart of height and weight ...
Tracy Watson
9:23 am on Friday, February 22, 2013
Imagine what we could do with that $5.2 million...sigh is right. And Maria....don't leave! We need good folks to stay and fight the good fight!! :)
Bryan McGonigle2
3:44 pm on Friday, February 22, 2013
"Many imitators, no equals".
From birth, the pediatrician keeps a chart/graph of height and weight. The pediatrician would often say your height as a percentile with 50% being average.
So it your weight was 50% and your height was 50% - you were normal size.
The pediatrician uses this to monitor changes - if things changed too much, it could be something abnormal.
Bridget
9:35 am on Friday, February 22, 2013
These letters are being sent home in our children's backpacks easily accessible for the children to read. Some can laugh off the fact that they are being catorgorized as being obese, when they clearly are not, while others are becoming very upset and not understanding why they are being placed into this category. I know of one athletic and muscular female student who received a "fat letter', although she is clearly not. She altered her eating habits in a very negative and harmful way. She was not taking in enough calories, vitamins etc to support her active lifestyle. This now becomes a very unhealthy situation. This is one girl,but I am sure there are many other girls and boys who took these "fat letters" to heart in a negative way.
Bridget
9:36 am on Friday, February 22, 2013
These letters are not going to bring change. If the letter states your child is obese it advises you to make an appointment with your PC. Either the parents are bringing their children to a primary care doctor, which if there is a concern regarding the child’s weight they are already working with their doctor or they aren’t bringing their children to the doctor and this letter is not going to change that. I think that while the laws are well-intentioned, there are better ways schools can spend the money and energy to combat child obesity rather than performing these inaccurate BMI assessments. For instance, they can ensure that school lunches are nutritious and full of healthy options. They can also work to make sure that kids have enough breaks for exercise and lessons about healthy eating and fitness in their school day. Seminars can be held to inform parents on healthy eating habits and how poor habits have a negative effect on their child’s health. Those are things that everyone can use throughout their lives to make positive choices. Eating junk is bad no matter what your BMI is. It should be more about getting the junk food removed from the regular diet and adding in veggies, fruits and exercise. Not about BMI or weight. Take the money and put it into programs, like Fuel Up To Play 60. Putting the money into educating children and parents will bring us closer to healthy living. Not thses false "fat letters."
Anne Marie Fay
10:15 am on Friday, February 22, 2013
Totally agree Tracy BMI measurement is not accurate. If you are going to call my child obese please call or do it face to face. A letter home is a cowards way out. The timing of these letters is also crazy. Lets weigh 4th grade girls just approaching puberty, like they don't already have low selfesteem just trying to negotiate the cliques of fourth grade. But we got rid of the presidential fitness test because it hurt feelings. These so called fat kids would kick on that fitness test, because they actually have muscle.
Tracy Watson
12:01 pm on Friday, February 22, 2013
Exactly Anne Marie! Bring back the Presidential Fitness Test!!!
Darren McRoy
2:11 pm on Friday, February 22, 2013
They don't have the fitness test anymore? Man, I loved that growing up. I didn't even mind miserably failing pull-ups and V-sit because I could land 97th percentile in the shuttle run. (Take that, erasers!)
Michael Quinlan
11:01 am on Tuesday, February 26, 2013
A Fitness Test? That's way too judgmental for PC America.
Tracy Watson
10:16 am on Friday, February 22, 2013
"Overweight and obesity have become a serious health problem in Massachusetts. Almost one-third of school-aged children are either overweight or obese. Overweight and obese children are at risk for diabetes, heart disease, and other chronic conditions. Helping children maintain a healthy weight can prevent potential health problems and serious diseases"
This is a direct quote from the Dept. of Health. OF COURSE one third of our kids are obese when you use only BMI......FALSE NARRATIVE
Tracy Watson
10:16 am on Friday, February 22, 2013
I reeally wish I could add a picture of my son to show the silliness of this all....
Maria Rigazio-Rea
3:22 pm on Friday, February 22, 2013
I bet that more people will be angry about this and that is good. If parents speak up then things might change. Take control, they work for you all and not the other way around. Bring back Gym, nutritional education and better lunches and things might look better. I have a dear friend who is in charge of an experimental lunch program at a school in Maine and the kids actually come into the kitchen to help and learn about cooking and nutrition...The kids love learning and love the food. Some have gone on to seek careers in the culinary field. I will ask her what we can do to bring a program like that here.
Tracy Watson
3:56 pm on Friday, February 22, 2013
What a wonderful program! I'd love to see that here in town!! And you are so correct...bring back home ec and cooking!! The old ways are still the good ways in my opinion!! I'm with you Maria!!
UPDATE.......this debate has been pciked up by FOX News 25 (local)!! Cameron and I will be interviewed on Monday! Please keep spreading the word because the more we educate folks about this unfunded useless mandate the better chance we have of repealing it. Please also contact your State Reps & Senators....they need to push this out of committee and onto the floor for a vote!!!
Maria Rigazio-Rea
4:30 pm on Friday, February 22, 2013
I will ask my friend for some info. That is great there is some light being shed on this by the news media. You are so right Tracy, the old ways are still valid and some should be brought back. If it wasn't broke why did we feel the need to fix it??
Mark Mezzina
6:24 pm on Friday, February 22, 2013
I sincerely thank all of our elected officials who have gotten involved in fighting this mandate. Let's keep pushing to get this through the Legislature; our community knows what is best for our kids far better than any state bureaucracy does.
Tracy Watson
12:43 pm on Saturday, February 23, 2013
Government bottom up is always far more efficient and effective.
Carl Reppucci
10:31 pm on Friday, February 22, 2013
Unfunded mandate? Everyone bought the food tax, hook line and sinker, you voted for it, and now you are paying for it.
Tracy Watson
12:44 pm on Saturday, February 23, 2013
Actually I helped lead the effort to VOTE NO on the meals tax.....but that really has no impact on this....
Karin Rhoton
3:22 pm on Monday, February 25, 2013
Not entirely true Carl - we fought it (and HARD) both times around...it was voted down by 7 votes in the first round, then a second round with many MANY more attendants it was passed by only 7 votes. I would hardly count that as North Andover 'buying' the meals tax hook, line and sinker.
Carl Reppucci
10:32 pm on Friday, February 22, 2013
Tracy,
Remind everyone when we can vote the meals tax off the books. Considering we had two votes to get it on the books.
Karin Rhoton
3:23 pm on Monday, February 25, 2013
We will have another shot at it in 2 years.
Carl Reppucci
10:34 pm on Friday, February 22, 2013
How much money did the town take in for the meals tax for 2012?
Karin Rhoton
3:23 pm on Monday, February 25, 2013
$200k-$400k, depending on the reporting dates.
Michael Quinlan
10:43 pm on Friday, February 22, 2013
Keep electing 'progressives' and eventually the 'fat letter' will be proof of child neglect.
Carl Reppucci
7:20 pm on Saturday, February 23, 2013
Any money from a tax should be paying for "unfunded mandates". Yes it does have an impact. It is money that is a tax used to spend on such things.
The meals tax demands that people eat junk food in order to maintain school systems.
Karin Rhoton
3:25 pm on Monday, February 25, 2013
The revenue from the meals tax became a political football for the school department in FINCOM meetings in 2010, 2011, and 2012. The converstation was a disservice to the entire town.
Carl Reppucci
7:21 pm on Saturday, February 23, 2013
School system demanded the most from the meals tax.
The NO vote was not lead strongly enough. We must bring up the vote again.
Again I ask, how much money did the town of North Andover bring in for the Meals Tax?
Carl Reppucci
7:22 pm on Saturday, February 23, 2013
How easy is it to find on the Town website?
Carl Reppucci
3:33 pm on Sunday, February 24, 2013
When will superintendent give up rented space and work out of the high school and save the town $100,000 per year. When, I always here money is tight.
Bryan McGonigle2
6:25 pm on Sunday, February 24, 2013
Carl - the school department will be working out of the old police station - after it gets renovated.
The school department offices can't be in the high school - as I understand it - because the high school was built with mostly (2/3?) state money and the state would pay for a school but won't for school department "offices" (and I guess the town was unwilling to pay for new school department offices when the high school was built)
Carl Reppucci
6:45 pm on Sunday, February 24, 2013
Why so long for the renovation?
The gym are is in excess - all the weight lifting equipment and wrestling area could be used for offices - inefficient use of tax at the state and local level.
Carl Reppucci
6:48 pm on Sunday, February 24, 2013
How much for the renovation? Millions again?
The offices I see ceo's work out of are not as elaborate as the secretaries office at the high school.
We went to school in trailers - put a trailer onsite for them to work out of.
Sell the old police station.
Carl Reppucci
6:48 pm on Sunday, February 24, 2013
More excuses for more extravagant spending on nonessential personnel.
Carl Reppucci
6:50 pm on Sunday, February 24, 2013
A school with two to three story high entrance ways and no office for school department. Amazing!!
And with the elaborate gym the kids are still not fit?
Carl Reppucci
6:53 pm on Sunday, February 24, 2013
Why not move into the station now with minimal renovation like companies do?
Carl Reppucci
7:01 pm on Sunday, February 24, 2013
Would of cost nothing to put them at the downtown school, perfectly fine until renovations are down - years at $100,000 but who is counting?
Not the people who voted for the $1.7 million override, the CPA tax, and the meals tax and don't forget the tax on your electric bill for "underground" wires.
kathy Stevens
7:31 pm on Sunday, February 24, 2013
MikeAaa is correct about the reason that the school department is not at the high school.
Karin Rhoton
3:30 pm on Monday, February 25, 2013
Hi Carl,
That is the case. Also, there really isn't any room at the high school for the entire administration. The town's CAM media is located there now as well, and it's reallly tight. Don't forget, there was a population bubble in our Elementary Schools that is now hitting the High School, and every inch of extra space there may be needed for academic space.
Michael Quinlan
8:17 pm on Monday, February 25, 2013
Carl, Here's this year's enrollment data from the Superintendent's page... Grades 6 and 7 are big but will lose the usual 8% when entering 9th grade.
North Andover 2012-2013 Enrollment
PK 113
K 309
1 334
2 327
3 370
4 399
5 368
6 412
7 401
8 367
9 345
10 369
11 343
12 309
SP 1
Totals 4767
Carl Reppucci
7:47 pm on Sunday, February 24, 2013
Still points to poor planning, and misappropriation of tax dollars that are always in need as could be seen by the back to back voting for the meals tax.
Tracy Watson
9:45 am on Monday, February 25, 2013
Carl I would point you in the direction of the new capital facilities plan....thsi took two years and cost about $150K to complete....it can be found on the town website. Knee jerk reactions costs lots and lots of money so we have mapped out exactly how we will deal with out town buildings now and far into the future. Please check it out as it may answer many of your questions.....
Tracy Watson
9:47 am on Monday, February 25, 2013
I would also remind you that unfortunately you can't just plop folks into buildings any way we like....the state has regulations pertaining to the accessibiliyt of buildings -- whether you like it or not they are in place and we must adhere to them. We are also bound to prevailing wage -- so everything we do costs more than it should. A reason why I have fought back against prevailing wage for many years now. I know it's easy to sit and look at things from one perspective but when you have to take into account he hurdles we actually have as a municipal government you realize nothing is easy.
jake3_14
9:11 pm on Monday, February 25, 2013
BMI was designed as a population measure of health, not an individual measure. BMI is useless applied to individuals, children or adult. That's not my opinion; it's Dr. David Haslam's. When he said this in 2007, he was Britain's chairman of its Obesity Council, commenting on the results of a meta-study done the prior year by Dr. Jerome Groninger. Groninger analyzed the results of BMI studies covering 33,000 U.S. adults and concluded, with typical scientific understatement, that the use of BMI for individuals was "problematic." The biggest finding Groninger made was that the BMI value associated with the lowest all-cause mortality was 26, which is still considered obese today.
Carl Reppucci
9:26 pm on Monday, February 25, 2013
Cost more money of $150K and two years. When was the high school completed? Only now the town is getting to this? That $150 wasn't paid for by the meals tax because the school department took more than half.
Again poor planning and more wasted money. When can we vote out the meals tax?
CAM media - GAS prices sky rocketting - guess what I gave up - CABLE!! Cancel CAM media and use the room. Again what does it cost to up keep those treadmills everyone is using at the school gym? If they are being used - there must be a cost of maintenance?
Why does the high school have two and three story foyers and no offices for the school department? Why weren't they considered during the planning? Why does renovating a simple, simple, building take so much time - school departments have existed for years, schools have had to ramp up classrooms with trailers as needed very quickly- this is nothing new folks.
My company runs with minimal stuff. The state and town governments can too.
You are creating the hurdles and throwing more money at it makes more hurdles.
I was at a meeting of the Common Wealth Institute where Deval Patrick claimed major changes in the health insurance agency by saying no to funding 10% increases. But he doesn't use that logic when comes to taxes.
The one perspective I have was constant and consistent begging for money and people getting it easy.
What I haven't seen or heard is the date I can vote against the meals tax publicized on CAM.
Carl Reppucci
9:30 pm on Monday, February 25, 2013
Why of all things - the part of the town that takes the most money - not have a place to go? Foolish. They could go into the Bradstreet building and build a ramp for the handicap and make accommodations. There is no reason they can't be in the highschool or that building.
Carl Reppucci
9:32 pm on Monday, February 25, 2013
Our offices hold 7 chemists in about 200 sq ft. I have seen some where all they get is a bench with a computer - no office. Executives sharing those offices until and if the business grows.
Let's see some of that.
Carl Reppucci
9:34 pm on Monday, February 25, 2013
So Tracy -
With all that you said - no one should ask for more money for the wasteful spending and hurdles you have pointed out. I agree with you.
Carl Reppucci
9:35 pm on Monday, February 25, 2013
We should be the first town to cut that fat cat part of the budget and force the issue.
Carl Reppucci
10:05 pm on Monday, February 25, 2013
Karin,
The vote wasn't fought hard second time around - it was not publicized, I learned of it very just before the vote. Also it was never mentioned the during that meeting that the town was about to raise the tax rate. That would of made a big difference but it was silenced.
Carl Reppucci
10:13 pm on Monday, February 25, 2013
Karin,
So about $200 -$400 ($400? really) from the meals tax, where are you getting the data?
I remember seeing documents early on that showed the school department was looking to grab that money.
There are many things that are not quite "transparent". Like the grading system, these "fat letters", etc. etc.
So again, 2 years from now we can vote against the meals tax. Let's keep promoting that, often.
Karin Rhoton
6:16 am on Tuesday, February 26, 2013
Carl,
200k - 400k. You missed the 'thousand part'.
Carl Reppucci
11:54 pm on Tuesday, February 26, 2013
I didn't miss it, I don't believe the $400K part, considering the town was expecting $350k.
Where is the data? The public wants to know.
And how many times could meals tax vote be repeated if constantly voted no?
And why do we have to wait 2 years to vote it out?
Karin Rhoton
2:21 pm on Wednesday, February 27, 2013
Hi Carl,
It is state law - once it is passed then there is a 3 year period to wait before it can be brought before Town Meeting again. On the other hand, in order to get an item passed it can be brought before every town meeting until it passes. Sounds fair, huh?
Also, when I was on the school committee, those were the figures given to us by the DOR as expected revenue from the meals tax. It may have changed a bit by now, but I can't imagine it would be by much.
Rich
8:21 am on Wednesday, February 27, 2013
OK - STUPID. FIRST: TEACHING BY EXAMPLE, PLEASE START THIS PROGRAM BY FIRING OR SENDING HOME ALL FAT TEACHERS AND PRINCIPALS (and the proably anorexic chick who designed the letter) who are the most direct educational examples to students. Given the fact that OVERWEIGHT can lead to being stimatized by Hollywood types (and fans) and that excess weight can lead to heart disease, there is merot in supporting the kids, but not stigmatizing them.etc. IS this just a stab at parents, but again noNOT THE TEACHERS? That another beaurecratic government, tax funded agency spends money to tell FAT PARENTS thay HAVE FAT KIDS is kind of like telling smoking parents, beer parents, sugar parents, meat parents, fast food parents, salt parents, non-exercising parents that their kid is really a reflection of slobbish mentallity, stigmatizing lifestyles. Take the money spend used here and show pics of a famous and gifted people like: fat Einstein, Gov. Christie, Jackie Gleason, John Wayne, George Washington, John Adams, Elvis, Marlon Brando, Ruben Studdard, Kathy Bates, Phillip Seymour Hoffman, Oprah (90% of the time)
Can't they better spend time and money on better books that teach about the Constitution and not soocial medias. Stick that in your tweet.
Michael Quinlan
2:27 pm on Wednesday, February 27, 2013
Maybe overweight legislators shouldn't get to vote. Probably have trouble getting a quorum.
Terence Michael Pinkston MSN, RN
8:02 pm on Wednesday, February 27, 2013
Jim Lyons, are you aware that approximately 300,000 deaths a year in the United States are attributed to obesity and furthermore, approximately 55% of the U.S. population is overweight, and almost one in five is obese (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, National Center for Health Statistics 2010). Or according to the World Health Organization (WHO) the United States spent 148 billion dollars last year treating obesity related medical conditions? Not to mention, the United States only spent 91 billion treating smoking related medical conditions the same year? Do the math and tell me this isn’t a problem. So let me ask you this simple question, if I let my child of 8 years old smoke cigarettes would I be charged with a crime such as child neglect? Also, if a parent enable a child by being in control with the child eats and the child is extremely overweight and as a result comes down with type 2 diabetes. Would I also be charged with child neglect in this issue? I control what I buy for the child to eat? As a result of my actions the child came down with a medical condition which in some cases could be for life due to my actions. I would really like to hear your feedback on this issue especially with the analogy I just gave you?
Terence Michael Pinkston MSN, RN
8:06 pm on Wednesday, February 27, 2013
Not to mention that Jim Lyons by looking at his photos has some overweight issues as well. Nice triple chins you have there your honorable State Representative Jim Lyons.
Michael Quinlan
8:53 am on Thursday, February 28, 2013
Clever method of encouraging a state representative to take you seriously.
Tracy Watson
9:07 am on Thursday, February 28, 2013
While your orignal comment was something to discuss....your second comment now erases the validity of your first. Really too bad that you would jump to making fun of how someone looks.....when you do that you stop the conversaton and the possibility of enlightening others.
Michael Quinlan
8:56 am on Thursday, February 28, 2013
How make Democrats has Tracy voted for over the years? As the saying goes 'If you lie down with dogs, you will get up with fleas'.
Tracy Watson
9:08 am on Thursday, February 28, 2013
I voted for a good number of them MIke...all good folks in my opinion...I've also voted for a good number of republicans.....do I get fleas from them too? Silly thing to say....
Michael Quinlan
4:37 pm on Thursday, February 28, 2013
All good folks who voted to expand government at every opportunity and impose this BMI circus.
Bryan McGonigle2
9:38 am on Thursday, February 28, 2013
I propose the Affordable Nutritious Food Act.
All the states will operate cafeterias where all citizens (the dream food act to follow later) are given three nutritious meals a day (two on weekends and holidays) free of charge. This program won't be much different from the meal provided over the summer on the Lawrence schools.
The program will be funded by the savings resulting from removing the inefficiency of our current food distribution systems and having food preparation areas in every home.. Expert chefs and state of the art cafeteria kitchens will replace the need for kitchens in homes and restaurants. And we will no longer need convenience stores on every block and redundant supermarkets. And the many amateur cooks - in addition to the time savings - will no longer have to eat their own cooking or rely on canned items, junk food, or expensive restaurant meals.
Those who work at full time jobs will get meals paid by their employers are company operated cafeterias.
More to follow ...
Michael Quinlan
4:36 pm on Thursday, February 28, 2013
Desc BMI on NAPS website: http://www.northandoverpublicschools.com/cms_files/resources/Body%20Mass%20Index%20screening%20program.docx. Note there is no mention how to 'opt out'.
"Body Mass Index screening program
In accordance with the Mass Dept of Public Health (MDPH), schools are required to perform height, weight and body mass index (BMI) screenings for students in grade 1,4,7 & 10 and send home the results to parents and guardians. The purpose of the screening program is to give parents additional information about their child’s weight status and ideas for living a healthy life.
BMI is a measurement that is used to show a person’s “weight for height for age.” It is calculated using a formula that includes an individual’s height and weight. Just like a blood pressure reading or an eye screening test, a BMI can be a useful tool in identifying possible health risks.
BMI does not tell the whole story about a child’s health status. BMI does not distinguish between fat and muscle. For example, if a child is very athletic and has a lot of muscle, his or her BMI may be high even though he or she is not overweight. That is why parents are encouraged to share the results with their child’s health care provider and have them explain the results of their child’s BMI screening. They are in the best position to evaluate a child’s overall health.
Please visit the MDPH website at www.mass.gov for Frequently Asked Questions about BMI and Mass in Motion. "
Terence Michael Pinkston MSN, RN
5:20 pm on Thursday, February 28, 2013
I agree with Michael on the BMI as I am 6'3 224 pounds with 10.5% bodyfat and the BMI has me almost in the obese section... However, insurances dont care all they care is what the BMI numbers are and for some reason people are just not to bright to use a simple plastic tool called a fat cailper these days...
Terence Michael Pinkston MSN, RN
4:55 pm on Thursday, February 28, 2013
Really Tracy? Last time I check first impression meant everything in our society? The comment wasn’t actually directed to him, but to show what other people feels in this issue and how others perceives others and you just reply to it. Now you know what overweight & obese people feels & what your state health department is trying to prevent. Look at the magazines, TV commercials, even your local fast food commercials. You don’t see overweight or obese people in them. Overweight people are discriminated all the time in this world. Employers are more likely not to hire them because they may think they are lazy and not productive and in the healthcare field they are often given the stigma that if they don’t bother to take care better self of themselves then why should we encourage the additional teaching to help them which is wrong but it does happen. All your state is trying to do is break this chain of events from happening and all you want to do is stop it. You can stop the letters maybe but you can’t stop the general public and their views on the issues. What you should be doing with Mr. Lyons is enforcing better parenting skills for those kids parents who are overweight because in my opinion if your child is overweight or obese & you control what the child eats than that is child abuse & neglect and if you’re not being a responsible adult to feed your children the right foods verse junk food than perhaps your child should be raised by someone else who can do this.
Fritz
5:28 pm on Thursday, February 28, 2013
Another case of Teaparty politics... You'll get nowhere with Chainsmoking Tracey Watson... But thanks Terence for enlightening others. Any efforts to stop the cycle of obesity AND Parents SMOKING WITH CHILDREN IN THEIR CAR is money well spent!
Fritz
6:32 pm on Thursday, February 28, 2013
We all remember Tracy in Richard Tsei's ad claiming to be an average voter who always voted for Tierney... That precancerous voice reminded me of Marge Simpson's sisters. Find it hard to believe a Teaparty stalwart like Watson ever voted for a dem. Just glad there's a Gordon back in NA politics to keep these crazies in check!
Fritz
8:27 pm on Thursday, February 28, 2013
Sorry, I just find it funny that a tobacco user would have any valid criticism of public heath policies... Only on Faux! :-) For the majority of children, BMI is actually a cheap and effective way to identify obesity.
Terence Michael Pinkston MSN, RN
10:34 pm on Thursday, February 28, 2013
Who is the smoker complaining about public health policies?
Carl Reppucci
9:30 pm on Thursday, February 28, 2013
Where is the data for the meals tax - does the town have this?
Why do they allow junk food at the sporting events? The town meals tax is a joke and anyone who supports overrides should really consider how wasteful town, state and fed government is.
Imagine the trickery to allow the meals tax. Quietly, and without much information was voted in.
An under ride to remove the $1.7 million voted for should be out, meals tax when it gets a chance should be voted out.
And someone should file a lawsuit against the school department for selling junk at all sporting events. Parents should boycott all fund raisers at local restaurants and have fund raisers at their homes, with home cooked meals.
Robert
10:23 pm on Thursday, February 28, 2013
Carl - did you ever try looking at the town's website? Or maybe pick up the phone and speak to the Town Manager? He is a very nice and knowledgeable man. Here is a link to current Budget Status report : http://www.townofnorthandover.com/Pages/NAndoverMA_Accounting/FY13%20Financials/jan13fr.pdf
Fritz
8:54 pm on Friday, March 1, 2013
Anyone run the bmi for a ten year old, 93lbs, 58 inches tall? Comes up with bmi of 19, which is healthy.... hmmmm. What am I missing??
Carl Reppucci
10:23 pm on Friday, March 1, 2013
Robert,
Thank you. I have contacted the town manager by email and nothing, selectman nothing, school department nothing.
I have questioned the school budget of what I see as $100K for telephones - seems high.
And, the question was here let the selectman respond and make it more public.
Revenue from meals tax according to the finance page you sent has the town at $230K in 6 months. And note it has it as revenue, like any revenue, yet they seem to have spent it before they got it, $150K to plan, $100 K for school department lease etc.
We didn't need the meals tax, we don't need to keep funding Stevens Estate - remember new growth is more money. CPA should be cut completely or at least in half, - anything historical allowed to be torn down and new rebuilt as new growth generates more money.
Budgets may be on track but they constantly want more, and the town just like anyone needs to be careful with every penny they collect. Not just ask for more and have programs like the people here are complaining about run at any cost without accountability.
Terence Michael Pinkston MSN, RN
10:50 pm on Friday, March 1, 2013
@Fritz, because you didn't calculate it right..You have percentage range in Peds and have to calculate the predictability of puberty and growth spurts which is not required in adults. I did the math and not knowing his parents height so I made him 6 feet tall and at current course of action at the age and current weight would weigh 263.35 pounds at the age of 18.
Terence Michael Pinkston MSN, RN
11:47 pm on Friday, March 1, 2013
But the health dept should make their own employees walk the walk if they are going to talk the talk...For example, almost fifty-four percent of healthcare providers are overweight or obese. According to Brown, I., & Thompson J., (2011) fifty-three percent of nurses are overweight but lack the motivation to make lifestyle changes. Although ninety-three percent of nurses acknowledge that overweight and obesity are diagnoses requiring intervention, seventy-six percent do not pursue the topic with overweight and obese patients(Sally, K., & Patricia, T., 2010). So this is the fact what happens. You get a fat letter, go see your doc, all he will say is eat more greens and exercise more..Really that's all you will get..You only have a 24% chance of actually finding someone who care to take the time to help. As this is America and its all about how many patients you can see in a day and how much you can make in a day... Last time you go see your PCP just watch its blah blah blah and out the door... So if you get a fat letter, don't waste your money going to see your doc because you won't find help there either bc he is either fat himself or doesn't know what to tell you anyways...
Fritz
11:58 am on Saturday, March 2, 2013
Terence-. Thank you. My calc was not factoring parents measurements.
Fritz
12:03 pm on Saturday, March 2, 2013
Terence, it's less about the letters and MORE about the study... Please read my comments under the follow up article Bryan wrote. This initiative is part of Michelle Obama's fitness effort and includes lots of free money for schools that apply. Our school got a nutritionist AND a STAFFED salad bar for the school lunch program. The Ymca, Blue Cross, and the CDC ponied up almost 200k in grants.
Fritz
12:15 pm on Saturday, March 2, 2013
Imagine if these politicians focused on improving their own town rather than starting a smear campaign for the demise of a much needed study... They too might have a salad bar! Which is an undeniable improvement! Our slad bar visits make up a third of all students!!
Also, look at Mississippi who had the fattest kids on the planet. They took advantage of this grant program in a big way and are already realizing a statistically signifigant improvement!
paula rockwood
5:26 pm on Saturday, March 2, 2013
In the pediatric office I work in I have literally seen a fat kid sitting on the exam table,flab hanging over the wasteband of his underwear,double chin, and the parent saying she just does not see a weight problem.
Terence Michael Pinkston MSN, RN
6:09 pm on Saturday, March 2, 2013
well Paula, society has gotten a custom to seeing overweight people and fat people like to hang around fat people. You see a heavy person say all the time they would like to lose weight but when ask what they do and you get a nothing replied. Americans are very lazy anymore. As for Michelle Obama's fitness, well school isnt the answer because you still have classes all day and the problem still lay with the parents. They are in control of what they buy the kids to eat,and they have the power to tell the kids to turn off the video games and go outside....
Carl Reppucci
9:20 pm on Saturday, March 2, 2013
From July 2012 till Feb 2013, approximately $230,000 in revenue from the meals tax, a tax that is 0.75 percent of the sale of a prepared meal; to achieve that revenue approximately $31 million had to be pent in this town alone; Peabody and Danvers each nearly at $70-90 million sales in each town to achieve their meals tax dollar revenues.
May be the government should raise the tax high enough to keep people from eating bad food, just like cigarettes, maybe a MacMeal for $5 should cost you $25.
Remember, Tracy mentioned saving $15000 by not having these "fat letters". $15000 is nothing, the state government and school department don't really care. The money is so big, who wouldn't want slice of that pie.
This is why we should have voted no to the meals tax in a much bigger way.
Carl Reppucci
9:20 pm on Saturday, March 2, 2013
I stated similar figures at the No vote second vote meals tax session.
CoachRaf2
1:27 pm on Friday, March 8, 2013
I think Tracy Watson's hot... in a Kathleen Turner sort of way.
Bryan McGonigle2
2:10 pm on Friday, March 8, 2013
Many imitators ... no equals